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Hey all,
I am a musician / inventor down in Miami, I have been looping for quite some time, and only just now joined here (transplanted from loopers delight, thanks to Rick).
I have a home-grown looper that I use which allows me to control loops independently of one another ... which I figure is pretty useful (but I am looking for feedback, of course). I also layer slightly differently .. instead of using a midi clock, I just have a notification that goes out every time the first loop you record goes back to it's 0 position .... so subsequent loops can start/stop recording on any master loop repeat (no need for multiply functions this way ... I think it is more intuitive... ).
I am trying to get as much feedback as possible since I need to make this as useful and user friendly as possible for both musicians and DJs (and the hybrids). This is a sponsored product and will be completed this spring.
Please check it out at www.flyloops.com.
There are several video demos there (a couple of which you can find on youtibe, if you prefer).
I think watching the videos should give you a good idea of how it works ..... after that, just lemme know.
PS - anyone else here from Miami?
Thanks,
Aaron Leese
I am a musician / inventor down in Miami, I have been looping for quite some time, and only just now joined here (transplanted from loopers delight, thanks to Rick).
I have a home-grown looper that I use which allows me to control loops independently of one another ... which I figure is pretty useful (but I am looking for feedback, of course). I also layer slightly differently .. instead of using a midi clock, I just have a notification that goes out every time the first loop you record goes back to it's 0 position .... so subsequent loops can start/stop recording on any master loop repeat (no need for multiply functions this way ... I think it is more intuitive... ).
I am trying to get as much feedback as possible since I need to make this as useful and user friendly as possible for both musicians and DJs (and the hybrids). This is a sponsored product and will be completed this spring.
Please check it out at www.flyloops.com.
There are several video demos there (a couple of which you can find on youtibe, if you prefer).
I think watching the videos should give you a good idea of how it works ..... after that, just lemme know.
PS - anyone else here from Miami?
Thanks,
Aaron Leese
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Mon, March 19, 2007 - 10:54 AMSeems like it could be interesting but I'm unclear as how this program would differ from Mobius. Also, why no midi clock? Seems like that would seriously limit the useability of looping software.
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Tue, March 20, 2007 - 2:58 AMHi Aaron,
Nice to see another looper being developed.
Sorry I don't have time to Beta test
( er...unless it's paid work of course ;-)
One feedback point though,
you say that "Multiply isn't needed".
These days I often work edits into a loop, and a nice way to do that is to multiply up a short phrase, and then edit the loop into a series of variations of that phrase.
In fact, there's loads of ways to use Multiply other than just " a longer layer on top".
On the other hand, of course, your looper will have it's own unique features to compensate, so no way am I saying "thou shalt multiply".
good luck anyway
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Fri, March 23, 2007 - 6:45 PM
I think you misunderstand ... there is no "multiply" function per se, because the looper automatically lets you run the layers as long as you want ... either as multiples of the "master" loops length, or just arbitrary lengths.
So really, it still multiplies .... just it will do it in a more versatile way than the EDP. -
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 4:54 AMHmmm...
...so either I don't understand
....or you don't understand
...or possibly........
.....neither of us understands
:-)
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 12:00 PMI'm not an EDP user, but I believe Andy is talking about taking a loop one has recorded and copy/multiplying it to another loop, where one can modify that version...
I think there are two areas of features for a looper, the first being the ability to record/playback the loops... some loopers do one track and one loop (DL4), some do one track and multiple loops (EDP), and others do multiple tracks (Repeater, Looperlative)... the other area is 'editing' what has already been recorded.. I consider Multiply to be an edit feature.. To date I think the EDP (and possibly Mobius, as it has used the EDP as it's template) has the deepest loop related editing abilities.. As well, with both the recording and editing features the ability to lock the execution of commands to time based events is also important...
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 2:07 AMYep, that's pretty much it :-)
For some of us editing is as important as multitracking.
Mobius doesn't quite have the editing power of the edp (well, by now it probably does, but not in a way that duplicates the edp)
but has multiple synced/unsynced loops.
...and as it's available vst, it's no problem to run as many instances of Mobius as you want.
Mobius is FREEWARE for windows, not available for mac.
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Fri, April 6, 2007 - 5:44 AM
Oh .... my mistake ..... being not an EDP user, the syntax gets me sometimes.
I thought multiply was creating a new empty loop that was a length corresponding to a multiple of the original clip.
Yes, you can create multiple instances of the same loop, then edit one of them.
Currently, however, the "editing" is rather limited. Meaning, that you can't always get a computer to say ... take the fourier transform of a sound clip ..... drop the bass .... pitch shift the rest.... then play it backwards ..... and do it all live .....without incurring some latency ...... but it's getting there (I haven't migrated to VST yet, so we shall see how that changes things too).
If you could, post an example of the sorts of things you do with the EDP ..... things like ....multiply a loop ... then speed it up ... and play the result alongside the original ??? Am I getting this right ?? What else do you tend to use this feature for?
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Re: new looping program -- beta test, looking for some feedback ...
Sat, April 7, 2007 - 9:44 AMhi Aaron,
There's plenty of EDP examples at www.andybutler.com.
(probably more than you want)
One thing you can't do with a single EDP is play a loop at half speed against one at normal speed.
The EDP only plays one loop at a time at normal speed or half speed.
However what you can do is drop the loop down to half speed, overdub, and then got back to normal speed, this leaves you with the original loop at normal speed, and the overdub sounding at double speed.
The EDP edit functions don't include pitch-shifting, filtering or any sort of effect. Rather it's like editing tape loops together, but in real time.
Typical edp functions are Replace, where the loop that is playing has a section replaced by live sound, and Insert where the live sound is edited into the loop, making the loop longer.
The edp multiply thing I'm using a lot of these days is like this:-
1)record loop
ABCD
2)multiply loop
ABCDABCDABCDABCDABCD
3)edit loop with Replace
ABCDABCDABCDABCDAECF
hope that makes sense, the loop is "multiplied" into a longer loop containing repeats of the original, then the rigid repetition can be broken up.
The term "Multiply" is used in a number of looping devices, e.g. Repeater and Looperlative, as well as with the edp, and while the implementation differs in each case the term is always used to describe making a loop longer by adding together repetitions one after the other.
Indeed, a lot of people think that if you have multiple tracks with the facility to make new loops that are an exact multiple in length of the original then you don't need an EDP type "Multiply", so whether you implement something like that in your software is not exactly a burning question :-)
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